BBP leadership homophobia and sexism exposed

[Ninel]

This is what my friend Soyuz sent me today after asking what my opinion on homosexuality was:
den 21 oktober 2011
01:20 - Soyuz: I have a little question
01:20 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Yeah?
01:20 - Soyuz: lemme find the quote
01:20 - Soyuz: it's in the code of communication
01:20 - Soyuz: 8. No posting of ANY child pornography. You will be permanently IP banned.
9. No posting of ANY gay pornography. You will be permanently IP banned.
01:21 - Soyuz: why is gay porn not allowed?
01:21 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Cause it's retarded
01:21 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Anyone who jacks off to gay porn in our group should leave.
01:21 - Soyuz: I find it quite homophobic
01:21 - Soyuz: why not just remove porn all together?
01:21 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Too bad.
01:21 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: It's a rule.
01:22 - Soyuz: having porn on a politically oriented forum in the first place is quite weird
01:22 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I don't mind it
01:22 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: As long as it's in the 18+ section
01:22 - Soyuz: you mind gay porn though
01:23 - Soyuz: so why not just remove it all together?
01:23 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Nah
01:23 - Soyuz: and it's not as if you have to watch the gay porn if it's posted?
01:23 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Why do you care anyway?
01:23 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Do you watch gay porn?
01:23 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Lmao
01:24 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: A normal person doesn't look for things like these.
01:24 - Soyuz: I care because I dislike homophobia
01:24 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: It's not homophobia, it's a rule.
01:24 - Soyuz: So, why does the rule exist?
01:24 - Soyuz: Care to elaborate as to why "it is retarded"
01:25 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Because I don't like members of our forum being exposed to such disgusting things.
01:25 - Soyuz: What if they're gay?
01:25 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Well then it's their problem.
01:25 - Soyuz: So gay people do not share the same rights in the group?
01:25 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: No.
01:25 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Just because I banned gay porn doesn't mean that gay people don't have the same rights.
01:26 - Soyuz: Don't you agree that it looks that way? You're only allowed to post straight porn, I doubt a gay person would be interested in that
01:26 - Soyuz: also is it ok to post lesbian porn?
01:27 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I haven't thought about that yet
01:27 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Well since the majority of our group is male, lesbian porn is okay.
01:27 - Soyuz: isn't that a little discriminatory?
01:28 - Soyuz: some may say sexist
01:28 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Everyone is a little discriminatory on the inside.
01:28 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution:
01:28 - Soyuz: Maybe, but does that make it OK to act on it?
01:28 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Why does it matter?
01:28 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: It's fucking porn
01:29 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: It's not anything large
01:29 - Soyuz: It's the principle
01:29 - Soyuz: also that argument goes both ways
01:29 - Soyuz: if it's "just fucking porn" then why not just allow it?
01:29 - Soyuz: but make it a rule to tag the thread so people know what kind of porn it is
01:29 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Like I said, I don't want people being exposed to gay porn.
01:30 - Soyuz: [Straight] [Gay] [Lesbian] [Bi]
01:30 - Soyuz: Then you do not get "exposed" without wanting it
01:30 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: If they want to see gay porn, then let them do it on another site.
01:30 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I doubt someone will post porn on our site anyway.
01:30 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I find it pointless.
01:30 - Soyuz: Then why have porn all together on the website? As I said before, the argument goes both ways
01:31 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: So people have the freedom to post it.
01:31 - Soyuz: If people wanna watch straight porn, let them do it on pornsites
01:31 - Soyuz: but they don't have the freedom to post gay porn
01:31 - Soyuz: that's why I'd say they do not have equal rights
01:31 - Soyuz: which I think is a fair assessssssment
01:32 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Dude stop making a big deal out of this
01:32 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I just got back from a soccer game and I'm tired
01:32 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I'm not in the mood to chat
01:33 - Soyuz: You seemingly never is
01:33 - Soyuz: So, got any plan on the restructuring of the site?
01:34 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Yeah
01:34 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: The site will be built in November
01:34 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: This is just the forum
01:34 - Soyuz: I mean restructuring of the fourm*
01:34 - Soyuz: forum*
01:34 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Ah ok
01:35 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Yeah probably
01:35 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Although I'm keeping the debates section the way it is
01:35 - Soyuz: the way it is now?
01:36 - Soyuz: Also
01:36 - Soyuz: Do you mind if I use this conversation to create a debate?
01:36 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Yes, I mind
01:36 - Soyuz: Why?
01:36 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: There is no reason to amend such a rule
01:37 - Soyuz: I think it would be interesting to get people's opinion on it
01:37 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: If you are so unsatisfied with the group
01:37 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Then you can just leave it
01:37 - Soyuz: I don't really care if you wish to change it or not, at least we can debate it and share opinions
01:37 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Debates are meant to focus on the world's REAL problems
01:37 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Not stupid shit like this
01:37 - Soyuz: LGBT rights is a real problem I'd say
01:38 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Actually this isn't LGBT rights, you're just attributing some bullshit right now
01:38 - Soyuz: it would keep the arab socialist bla bla thread from getting derailed too
01:38 - Soyuz: I'd say it's a question of LGBT rights
01:38 - Soyuz: You dislike homosexuality
01:38 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: That's like outlawing guns and saying that gun owners aren't getting enough rights.
01:38 - Soyuz: so you create rules discriminating against it
01:39 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Like I said: if you have a problem with it, then leave the group.
01:39 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I'm not going to put up with bullcrap.
01:41 - Soyuz: You mean, you're not going to put up with people questioning your dogma?
01:41 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I'm not putting up with rats questioning small things like that.
01:42 - Soyuz: as I said, LGBT rights isn't a small thing I'd say
01:42 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: This isn't LGBT rights, this is gay porn.
01:42 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: And I'm banning gay porn.
01:42 - Soyuz: The question is why you're banning just gay porn
01:42 - Soyuz: which you stated was "because it's disgusting/retarded"
01:43 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I'm banning gay porn because I want the group to be more lenient to heterosexuality.
01:43 - Soyuz: which looks like A class homophobia to me
01:43 - Soyuz: Why?
01:43 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Because the majority of all people are heterosexual.
01:43 - Soyuz: That is discriminating towards homosexuals
01:43 - Soyuz: which then becomes a LGBT rights question
01:43 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: No it isn't.
01:44 - Soyuz: So you're being populist?
01:44 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: What's this have to do with populism?
01:44 - Soyuz: You said
01:44 - Soyuz: "because the majority of people are heterosexual"
01:45 - Soyuz: that means you're doing it because it's what the majority "wants"
01:45 - Soyuz: i.e. populist
01:45 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Yeah
01:45 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: The majority of our group is heterosexual
01:45 - Soyuz: So if you're heterosexual you oppose homosexuality?
01:45 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: No
01:46 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Just because I ban gay porn doesn't mean I oppose homosexuality.
01:46 - Soyuz: So it's okay as long as you never witness it?
01:47 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Yeah sure
01:47 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I just don't see what you're going to get out of talking to me.
01:47 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: You're just wasting your time and I'm wasting mine.
01:48 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Creating a database of me chatting with you?
01:48 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: xD
01:48 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Probably going to pull a straw man on me, lmao
01:49 - Soyuz: I find it interesting that one can call herself socialist and oppose homosexuality simply because "it's disgusting/retarded"
01:49 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: herself?
01:49 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Himself*
01:49 - Soyuz: Yes, we tend to call human "her"
01:49 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: o
01:49 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Nvm I thought you were referring to me
01:49 - Soyuz: Nope
01:50 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Actually in that case, you should use themself
01:50 - Soyuz: You're obviously included
01:50 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Since you're a Wiccan, it makes sense to use herself.
01:50 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I understand.
01:50 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Coming from a matriarchial background can do such things.
01:51 - Soyuz: I'm not a wiccan
01:51 - Soyuz: nor am I a satanist
01:51 - Soyuz: I said I practiced Wicca for some time, but I never believed it
01:51 - Soyuz: it was part of course in divinity in university
01:51 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Maybe you adopted some elements of that.
01:51 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I understand the balance of man and woman.
01:52 - Soyuz: I'm sure you do
01:52 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Christianity has a horrible history of propagating folks.
01:52 - Soyuz: it's interesting that you say that
01:53 - Soyuz: considering your views on homosexuality
01:53 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: My views on homosexuality are personal.
01:53 - Soyuz: They seem to be reflected in your rule
01:53 - Soyuz: so I'd say they're not as personal as you may think
01:54 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Yeah, because people question and challenge my views.
01:54 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Such as yourself.
01:55 - Soyuz: The reason you're being questioned is because your so called "personal" views leak through on the way you act in the group
01:55 - Soyuz: which obviously creates a response
01:56 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Actually I'm going according to the majority's stats, like I said.
01:56 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: I doubt that the majority would like gay porn on our site.
01:56 - Soyuz: I don't see the point of having any porn at all on the site
01:56 - ☭ |Ӿвпп-λ| Redvolution: Most would probably not give a damn, but the no's would outweight the yes'.
01:57 - Soyuz: Populism isn't always a good thing

[Admin]

Haha. Pathetic. This isn't new though, BBP and especially it's administration have always been homophobic and sexist, and in general pseudo-communist and pseudo-leftist. Thanks for exposing it though, we could create a huge list of obvious reactionary views and people from different places like BBP, RevLeft, Socialist Phalanx, etc.


Oh, also. It's funny that he answers with the word "Disgusting" (he probably doesn't know what it even means!) considering that is a very subjective view, and a reactionary view at that. And how he says "Retarded", the word used in a insulting way towards handicapped. I'd also like to point out that there shouldn't be any rule towards any porn in the first place, whether someone has a fetish or attraction to child porn is irrelevant, people can masturbate to whatever they want to as long as they are not raping or assaulting anyone, no one is getting harmed. All have their own fetish and attraction nobody is the same, we are all different so we should respect that. Also: Being pedophile refers to being attracted to kids from the age 8-14, it doesn't mean they are automaticly rapists though, you can rape children without being a pedophile (attracted to children, 8-14) and some of this usually happens inside the nuclear-family as well as with total strangers. So case in point, you can jerk off/masturbate to whatever you want just don't attack/rape anyone. And being a pedophile as i have said, has nothing to do with raping kids it just means you are attracted to them (from the specific age, 8-14 i think).

Ohh, and woman can be pedophile and rapists too, so don't pretend like that doesn't happen as well. Jeez.

[Jesusporn]

That guy sounds like a jerk.